Highlights of Winston Teleconference with Bill Elliott
and Evernham Motorsports owner Ray Evernham.
BILL ELLIOTT (No. 9 Dodge Dealers Dodge Intrepid R/T)
NOTE: Elliott, the 1988 NASCAR Winston Cup champion from Dawsonville,
Ga., has won seven races and six poles at Michigan International Speedway. In
46 starts at the two-mile oval in the Irish Hills of Michigan, Elliott has 16
top fives and 27 top 10s. He swept both events at Michigan in ‘85 and ‘86 and
won six of eight from 1984-87.
“I kind of had it figured out back then. I kind of lost the handle a
little bit this day and time. Back then I ran a different type chassis. I ran
a Banjo (Matthews) rear steer. I had it figured out. It seemed to work. I had
it set up for that particular race track and everybody else was chasing me.
Now that everything has changed and everything has gone to the basic front
steer type car of what everybody is running today... Banjo was pretty smart
and now that he’s not still in business everybody had to reinvent the wheel.
I’ve just not got it figured back out yet. I’ve had some real good runs up
there the past several years. I finished second up there to Ernie Irvan when
he came back and won. I’ve run really well the last several years and always
something goofy happens.”
COMMENT ON 2001 SO FAR WITH DODGE
“It’s been pretty disappointing in some ways. We just can’t get on
anything going in the right direction. It seems like we’re either off a
little bit or we get caught up in something. We’ve had some little odds and
ends problems here and there with either this or that. We just not been able
to come across and do what we need to do.”
DO YOU DRIVE DIFFERENTLY AT MICHIGAN NOW?
“Not really. The race track has pretty much stood on its own. Back then,
we ran the bias-ply tires. Now we strictly run the radials. Radials have a
little different characteristic, a little different setup characteristic. It
seems like if you’ve got a handle on a certain deal and they change
something, it’s so easy to lose it. We see that so much this year. It took
Jeff Gordon a year to get his squared away over where he was at in the past.
Last year he had kind of an off year. Now he’s back on and they’re doing what
they need to be doing. Still, as stuff changes it’s hard to keep a handle on
it.”
HOW DO YOU TACKLE NEW TRACKS LIKE CHICAGO AND KANSAS CITY?
“I tested at Kansas City a couple of weeks ago. I did a Goodyear tire
test there. It’s pretty similar to some of the other places that I’ve been
on. It’s a little bit like Kentucky, a little bit like Vegas. You just use
pretty much your basic knowledge from those places. It won’t vary a great
deal from that. That’s basically what you do when you go into it. Chicago, I
have no idea. We’re supposed to go there and test near the end of the month.
Then we’ll (have) more of a handle what that race track is like when we get
there.”
DISCUSS THE NEW GOODYEAR TIRES
“I’m kind of like Jeff Burton and a couple of these guys. I’m kinda lost.
This tire is quite a bit different. It takes a totally different setup. Just
like Jeff was at Charlotte. He finally figured it out and won the race. He
comes back to Dover and don’t seem to have a handle on it. It seems like
every week until you get a perfect handle on this deal, you’re either hot or
cold. There’s very little in between. Like Gordon Sunday. He was on it and he
pretty much blistered the field. He just did pretty much what he wanted to
do. Michigan is one of those places if you get hooked up there, you can put
everybody else away. You can really make them live hard. Remember what Dale
Jarrett did there. Bobby Labonte did it. Several others pretty much ran away
with it. You get get hooked up there, if you’ve got the power and
aerodynamics, that’s a place you can be dominant if you hit it all right.”
DO YOU THINK EUROPEAN TEAMS WILL EVER TAKE AN INTEREST IN NASCAR?
“Well, I’m sure it’s going to continue to change in the evolution of the
sport because when I got in it, it was more of a regional, not money-oriented
type deal. Now today, it’s driven by money and a lot of other stuff. That
tends to bring in a lot of different people for a lot of reasons. I think
you’ll continue to see the sport change, some for the good and some for the
bad. That’s just the way life goes.”
CAN YOU NAME ONE AREA THAT’S KEEPING DODGE FROM WINNING?
“I don’t think there’s no one thing. I think it’s just a combination of a
lot of little things. As far as we’re concerned, I don’t know that we’re
getting the full potential out of the car. I think there’s more there to be
gotten. I think they’re going to have to get some weight off some places with
their motor stuff. I think their motor combinations are going to have to come
together a little bit better. Probably aero balance, we need to get just a
little better. It’s just several little things. The teams that are beating
you now are the ones that’s been winning. That’s the ones that are going to
be hard to beat regardless. Whenever they come in and have a good day, you
just look that much worse, even if you have a good day.”
IS MICHIGAN A ONE-GROOVE TRACK?
“It’s tend to have gone that way. I think with what we’ve got into today,
we’ve put so much downforce in these cars that you get around any other car
and you can’t run. That’s the problem I see. Yeah, we’ve made the cars more
comfortable, but if you’ve got 300 pounds of downforce on the nose and you
get behind another car and you’re set up to run by yourself, how are you
going to handle behind someone else? It’s the same thing I think the Indy
cars experienced this year. You put so much downforce in the cars and you
can’t race. If you come back and you have no downforce in the nose when you
get behind somebody, it’s going to affect the car less than if it had 300 or
400 or 500 pounds of downforce. These cars are generating more downforce they
ever have in the past. Now people are getting the cars set up aerodynamically
where they’re at their optimum heights and they’re getting them set up on the
race tracks for that and it’s bringing this deal to another evolution. That’s
what I think is going in the wrong direction, but that’s only my opinion.”
DO YOU THINK NASCAR WILL GO ALONG WITH REDUCING DODGE ENGINE WEIGHT?
“I don’t know what NASCAR is going to do right now. Right now I think
we’re going to have to get our heads together and figure out exactly what we
want and go submit it and see what happens.”
HAS IT TAKEN A TOLL ON RAY OVERSEEING THE ENTIRE DODGE PROGRAM?
“Absolutely. There’s no doubt in my mind. I’ve been there. I’ve rode this
horse many a day for the last six years. I’m going to tell you what. People
don’t realize how well we ran on the amount of money we got. I think
McDonald’s ought to be proud over what we’ve done over the past six years
with the kind of money they spent, at least with us. I think the money we
generated back for them through whatever and the performance on the race
track, yeah, we didn’t win any races but I still think we ran well for the
type of environment we’re in. Looking on Ray’s side, he’s got his hands full.
Coming out building as much as he’s trying to build, starting a motor deal,
helping Dodge getting their whole program kicked off, submitting everything
to NASCAR, everything along those lines. Marketing, licensing, all that
stuff, he can’t do it all. One person can’t do it all. It takes year to
evolve into whatever it takes to make all this work, and yes, it does take
away. If somebody says it don’t, then they’re telling you something wrong.
“With all the rule changes and everything else, NASCAR pretty much put a
nail in your coffin. Every time they make a rule change, you just don’t
realize how much it costs at the end of the day to overcome it. I agree some
of it is necessary and we need to keep going through this evolution. But from
an independent guy that don’t have umpteen car dealerships or several other
businesses, it makes it tough. It’s a tough balance to balance through all
this deal. I don’t know what the answer is.”
DISCUSS THE MUHAMMAD ALI PAINT SCHEME FOR MICHIGAN
“It’s a great promotion. It’s Dodge’s diversity program and from my
standpoint it’s whatever it takes to help this sport, to get more people
involved and interested in it or at least turn on the television and watch
it. That’s a part of what we’re trying to do, build and grow NASCAR.”
WHAT’S YOUR OPINION OF ONE-ROUND QUALIFYING FORMAT?
“Oh, I love it. To get qualifying done and out of the way, one round is
plenty. If you have a bad day, that’s tough. If you go in there and you’ve
got everything right... For the most part, we’ve qualified well all year. I
love it. I think it’s a great format. I don’t know why we need two or three
rounds of qualifying.”
WHAT MAKES MICHIGAN A SPECIAL TRACK?
“Michigan is kind of a like a super speedway, more intermediate more than
other places. It’s got gradual corners. Aero plays a part. Motor plays a
part. You’ve got to have the full combination. I think that’s what we did the
years we ran so well there. We had a good aero package, a good balance
package, a good chassis package. Ernie (brother Elliott) built some really
good motors. At that point in time, we were really focused on what we were
doing. I think all that put it together. I enjoy Michigan. It’s the type of
race track you can go and race. If you want to run low or high, you can do
whatever you want to do there and set your car up accordingly.”
RAY EVERNHAM (Owner Evernham Motorsports Dodge Dealers Intrepid R/Ts with
drivers Casey Atwood and Bill Elliott)
“I can’t say across the board everything hasn’t gone like we’d planned.
Probably our finishes are the only thing that hasn’t really gone as we’d
planned. I actually feel like some of the team structure and systems and
equipment that we have in place might be a little ahead of where I planned to
be at this point, but we just haven’t been able to turn that into on track
finishes. On one side of things, I’m very pleased with the teams’ progress
and the way the guys are working and the quality of the cars they’re
building. On the other side of things, we’ve missed it and missed some
opportunities at the race track. A lot of other people have, too. Obviously
we’re struggling with some setups. We about had it figured out with the bump
rubber thing and now NASCAR has taken the bump rubbers away and we’re going
back to try to figure this out. It’s going to take us a little bit of time..”
WHAT’S YOUR OPINION OF THE POSSIBLE ONE-ENGINE RULE FOR NHIS?
“I their idea is good. I agree with a lot of things NASCAR wants to do..
Sometimes I don’t agree with the way they implement them. Sometimes if
they’re not really implemented properly it doesn’t really save you any money.
This engine thing, down the road, it probably is a good thing. Probably you
ought to give the guys a little bit more notice than New Hampshire. They’ve
got to write some more rules or do a little bit more thinking about it
because if a guy cares more about getting into a race than he does finishing
a race... If you’re just going to get in a race and run as far as you can
before you blow up, then a guy is just going to come with a qualifier and
some other guys that put motors in that would have been capable of running
the whole race are going to end up going home, so that’s something that
they’re really going to have to think about. I don’t think they’re looking at
it for some of the 500-mile races. I think they’re looking at it mostly for
the short track stuff. It’s been done. I know people have gone the whole way
on restrictor-plate engines for sure, but you might be able to do it for a
two-day show at Talladega. I don’t know that you could do it for the Daytona
500, but you could certainly do it at Martinsville and Bristol and places
like that because we used to do it.
“The big glitch in the deal is a lot of sponsorships are if you don’t
make the race you have to pay money back. If you’re looking at making the
race and then blowing up and not having to pay money back or you’ve got to
make that race, then you’re going to go there with a motor that’s going to
get you in the race and might not live for the race but at least you’re in..
That’s my concern. I agree with what they’re trying to do. I want to see how
they’re looking at making it so it’s fair for everybody. They’ve got to start
it sometime, but I hope they’re going to have a good system in place so it
does what they want. I agree with a lot of things they want to do. I just
don’t think they implement them sometimes in the best way. Like this bump
rubber thing. They take the bump rubbers away and the people that have more
money and build their own cars, all they did was raise the snouts on the cars
and it leaves the rest of us not being able to run the cars as soft as they
are. Their intent was good, but by the same token, they’ve got to make sure
there’s no way around it because the person who has the most money and most
time is going to find a way around it.”
IS HANDLING OR HORSEPOWER MORE IMPORTANT AT MICHIGAN?
“You need horsepower, but you’ve also got to handle. Most of the tracks
we go to, certainly the percentages move back and forth. At Michigan, you
need good horsepower and good aerodynamics. If your car is handling OK,
you’re all right. If you had a terrible handling car, you’d have to get off
the gas. At Michigan, you’re looking at horsepower and aerodynamics as
probably the two key things.”
IS NASCAR PHASING OUT THE SMALL TEAMS?
“I don’t think NASCAR wants it to go that way or intended it to go that
way, but it takes a tremendous amount of money to do this, a tremendous
amount. Sponsorship right now is probably three or four times what it was
when I came into this sport in 1993. The people who are trying to make their
living and do it just off of sponsorship are not going to be able to compete..
You end up having to spend much more money than you’re bringing in, even with
sponsorship. If you don’t have the support of another business or wealthy
people or factory help or something, I don’t know how you could do it.
There’s no way in the world I could survive if Dodge wasn’t behind this
program.”
WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE SOMEONE TRYING TO BREAK INTO NASCAR?
“I’d tell him to learn as much as he could about his profession because
the one good thing about NASCAR.... Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt and people
like that are naturally talented, but if you’re willing to work hard, you
don’t have to be God-gifted to make it in this sport. You can do it with real
hard work and learning your business. I certainly really push kids to get as
much education as they can. If it’s not college, then it’s tech school or
trade school or whatever. Even NASCAR’s got some school they’re starting down
here, but you’ve got to learn everything you can about your business. The
best way to start is in a local level and just keep working your way up. It’s
no different than playing Pop Warner football and then on to high school and
college and hopefully the pros. You can do that here, and the good thing
about NASCAR or racing in general, it’s something that can be learned. You
don’t have to be born with the natural ability.”
COMMENT ON PROGRESS OF PIT CREW COACH TERRA FLYNN
“He’s been doing good. He’s doing a good job, but it takes awhile to
learn this business. He’s still a little bit overwhelmed with what we do.
He’s going to be real good. He has the personality. He has the tools. What
he’s got to get is the experience, and we’ve just got to be patient while he
gets that. It’s no different than Casey being a rookie in the seat. Casey’s
got a lot of talent, but he’s got an awful lot to learn. So does Terra. If
you’ve got a guy that’s willing to put in the effort and has the tools, he’s
going to be a good guy.”
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO PRODUCE BETTER FINISHES?
“What we’re working on right now is trying to figure out this tire and
body attitude thing. We’ve been missing on the chassis setup and that’s what
we’ve got to get. Right now we’re working hard trying to figure out what our
chassis wants for springs based on our aerodynamic balance of the race car.
That’s the piece we’re missing. The guys have done a great job in the engine
shop. The guys are putting the cars together good. We’re just missing that
balance at the race track. I think we had some good cars a couple of times
and missed some opportunities because of mechanical problems or crashes, but
we just haven’t been able to put it all together on the same day. Right now,
the biggest thing we’re working on is getting the spring-shock combination
and aero balance where we want it to be. Everybody was ahead of us on bump
rubbers. We spent all our time trying to figure out the bump rubber thing. We
were getting closer with it. That’s gone now and we’ve got to go back to work
and find that balance again.”
HOW DIFFICULT WAS IT SEEING BOTH OF YOUR CARS IN MISHAPS AT DOVER?
“When you’re up there and you see one car get crashed, and you’re
thinking, ‘oh boy.’ Then you see the other one get crashed right behind it...
It was hard, but this is something I’ve made a long term commitment to do. I
knew it was going to be hard. I didn’t expect it to be this hard, but you’ve
got to be tough. You’ve got to believe. I’m trying to keep my eye on the long
term goal. I know that I can accomplish this with the people I have. We’ve
just got to ride it out. That’s not to say that once in awhile you’re not
going to get your nose bloody. We got our nose bloody, but we’re a new team.
We’ve done an awful lot in a short period of time. I told the guys yesterday,
you don’t lose until you quit. I don’t plan on quitting. We’re going to keep
fighting. That doesn’t mean we’re going to go back next week and win Michigan
and go on and win Sears Point or Pocono. We’re going to try, and we’re going
to keep shooting for those top 10s. My goals from the beginning of the season
were to have Casey in the top 25 in points and Bill in the top 15 in points
and Bill being competitive, challenging for wins. Those goals are still
achievable. We’ve just got to keep working.
“I think it (second time around at various tracks) will help Casey more
than it will help Bill. The big thing we need right now is just time. We have
been building cars so fast and trying to get people to work together, we
haven’t really had a lot of time to analyze the information we have. If there
were four weeks to get ready for Michigan, I’d say we’d be ready. If we ran
Michigan this week and ran it again next week, I don’t think the second time
would be as big of a help to us as a little bit of time in between.”